The topic de jour is, not surprisingly, Labour's proposal to exempt fresh fruit and veges from GST. It's not a policy that we support, and it seems that a great many peopl share our view. If Phil Goff thinks that this is the circuit-breaker issue, he really IS out of touch!
Then again, there are those who will vote Labour regardless, like this commenter who opines:
they'll get my vote regardless ..neva wanna threw lies and crap from national govo
Heh; comments like this reassure us that John Key's government is on the right track with the move to National Standards!
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"comments like us reassure us"
National Standards are a bit too late for you as well eh?
Anyway, not suprised that you wouldn't support such a proposal as axing GST of food. I don't think I've met a Christian yet who is genuinely interested in helping the poor.
Mostly they're just selfish cunts.
G-sus.
Point well made I2.
I'd swear the troll is Philip Ure but there aren't enough punctuation marks.
@ G-Sus; thanks for pointing out my humanness; duly amended.
Funny thing is it's so terribly hard to find an atheist who is literate.
The other day a bloke turned up at church wanting a handout to buy petrol to get home 'up north.'
So, the minister offered to take him down to the petrol station upon which our fine young supplicant told him to 'fuck off, I want the money.'
It looks as though the same prick now has turned to commenting on blogs from the public library.
@ Alex - no, G-Sus is far more articulate than Phil, not that that's saying much. Perhaps we'll have to find a "Dont Feed the Troll" sign!
Inventory2
You're a Christian?
Wowsers!
The put-down of Phil Ure, is that a Jesus thing?
I must have missed that bit.
Cant believe I didn't get the
'G-sus' thing for at least 5 minutes.
Is it ok with you that I'm a Christian Robert? I don't profess to be a perfect one though ...
PS - I won't preach at you; promise. Street-corner evangelism is not my thing!
I don't mind at all Invent but you've not mentioned the Ure put-down and the reason for it.
What's there to say Robert? Phil's writing is a bit of a joke, and Alex made a reference to his rather unique style of punctuation. It's hardly personal abuse ..eh?
@Adolf. Actually old bean, there's quite a body of evidence that the more religious you are, the lower the level of your reading and writing ability and the more seriously you take being an atheist (I don't like to capitalise that word) the higher your level.
It mystifies me why so many people that consider rationalism to be the root of their atheism are otherwise such wooly thinkers that they're lefties though...
But Phil is very articulate.
What do you mean?
@ James - those so-called athiests who initiated the "There's probably no God" bus campaign are hardly evidence of athiests being of higher intelligence. That they lack the faith in their disbelief to say "There's no God" kicks their whole argument to touch.
OTOH; I believe with all my being that there IS a God, and I don't think I'm a moron :)
@ Robert - Phil articulate? Surely you jest!
Inv, I realise we're straying further off topic but unfortunately we atheists generally feel the need to be accurate about things, so "probably" it is, even if that's only because you cannot logically prove a negative. We don't have "faith", being as that is defined as belief without the need for evidence.
Not that I'm a Christian-basher...I just find it impossible to believe in any deity.
*You* may not think that you're a moron, but you do profess to support Arsenal, so...
And what league does Tranmere grace?
Straight up Inventory - very nimble with his words.
Why do you say otherwise?
Disclaimer: I have met Phil (and his charming dogs) and he is fun, friendly, witty and clever.
I am genuinely puzzled by your view and condemnation of his abilities.
Perhaps it's a left/right, athiest/Christian thing :-
I haven't had the (dubious) pleasure of meeting Phil, so I'll have to take your word for his qualities as a fine, upstanding citizen.
Exactly Inv, they need all the support they can get!
@RG - what is the problem with mocking PU's affected style of punctuation abuse? It's the written equivalent of me meeting you and putting on a thick scouse accent and a stutter.
James Stephenson - mock away me hearty, but I think you are wrong to regard Phil's style as 'punctuation abuse'. To me, he style is ...stylish!
He uses his elipses (our elipses, everyones elipses) cleverly.
Perhaps it's a matter of taste but I've always puzzled over rightwingers spazzing-out over someone expressing themselves in such a unique way, when at the same time professing a great love for freedom of expression, the rights of the individual, as many righties do. To see them, en masse, attacking someone who lives the ideal and does so so publically makes me think that those same people love freedom only when it's theirs and are threatened when they see it in others!
Eh!
Small correction Robert - it's ..eh..?
Phil might be the nicest guy in the world, but his attitude sucks. He refuses to work, and makes no secret of the fact that he is happy for the taxpayer to fund his choice of lifestyle. Sure, he's got a son to look after, but surely he could find a job that lets him work around his parental commitments. I employ, among others, a 30yo mother of eight who has a fantastic can-do attitude and a thirst to learn new things. She fits work in around HER parental responsibilities; I see no reason why Phil cannot. 14 years on the DPB is nothing to gloat about IMHO.
Invent - judgemental much?
Motes, logs etc - very Biblical this thread.
Judging from afar and publically critisising an individual - for me, that's okay done to a publically elected figure (MPs are fair game for lampooning I reckon) and in fun. To another citizen, without them being present...not so much.
Still, we each have our own standards I suppose.
I've never claimed to be perfect Robert; far from it. But I'm thinking that you're mischief-making here. You question me about Phillip Ure, then when I reply, you accuse me of being judgmental. Logs and specks in respective eyes are not exclusive to Christians ...
Which pretty much proves my analogy. I can amuse my friends with various over-the-top silly accents, but why would I do so in a debate where it would obscure any point I was trying to make? I'd be asking for various degrees of derision and abuse, which exactly what Phil gets.
I'm happy for anyone to live any kind of lifestyle they wish, so long as it doesn't impinge upon me and they pay for it themselves...
"asking for various degrees of derision and abuse, which exactly what Phil gets."
Nope, he's not asking for that at all. he's writing in his chosen style, one that you don't accept, presumably because it doesn't fit with your rigid definition of 'appropriate ways to express one's self'.
Have you no thoughts about freedom of expression?
Don't you see that you are terying to force Phil into using your conservative style of self expression.
It seems to me a characteristic of a rigid, conservative thinker and it's embarassing to watch.
"Freedom of expression". Oh FFS, Kiwiblog isn't the Tate Modern, it's a forum for debate.
The rules of language are there to facilitate efficient communication of ideas. If you want to get those across to others you need to follow those rules, otherwise it spoils it for everyone else. Is it "freedom of expression" if I turn up to a rugby match with a cricket bat and smash the opposing #7 over the head? No, it's wrecking the game for everyone else.
James equates the use of elipses with 'turning up to a rugby match with a cricket bat and smashing the opposing #7 over the head.'
You what?
I'm beginning to get a sense of where the problem lies.
Follow the rules James, and you'll be quite safe, you good little rule-follower you!
Have you heard of "exaggeration for effect"? Breaking the rules for the sake of it might give the breaker some fleeting satisfaction but it stops the game (or debate) from functioning properly.
I don't usually do ad hom, but lets break a rule and do "freedom of expression" shall we?
Rob, you're a twat, and "the problem lies" between your ears.
eh?
Didn't take long for your 'ad hom' instincts to kick in James!
I see why Phil riles you so easily, what with your touch-paper temper and all!
I loved this from you:
"Breaking the rules for the sake of it might give the breaker some fleeting satisfaction .."
Followed by this:
"lets break a rule and..."
Oh Lordy, I laughed my *rse off!
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