Labour's in-house polling on its capital gains tax reveals that it is unpopular with its own people.
ONE News political editor Guyon Espiner told TV ONE's Breakfast this morning that he had seen results of a Labour poll and they show that the biggest group of respondents strongly disapprove of the idea of the capital gains tax - 31% of those polled.
People were asked to rate the tax from 1 to 5, where 1 was strongly approve and 5 was strongly disapprove.
"The biggest group was strongly disapprove, at 31%, and 12% rated it a 4 - so about 43% disapprove or strongly disapprove," Espiner said.
There were 21% in the middle, with 17% strongly approve and 14% approve, an overall approval rate of 31%.
Oh dear. Far from being the circuit-breaker that Labour was hoping for, even Labour's internal polling is showing strong resistance to the idea. And is it mere coincidence that the numbers who approve (31%) is roughly the same as Labour is polling at the moment?
There's slightly better news for Labour where 58% of those polled disapprove of asset sales. There is, of course, a quantum leap between partial share sales where the Government retains a controlling interest, and the wholesale asset sales of the 1980's where Phil Goff and his Rogernome mates sold off assets holus-bolus to whoever was first to pull the chequebook out.
Phil Goff is gambling everything on his tax package. News that more than two thirds of Labour's very own punters do not approve of a capital gains tax is a huge setback for him. The One News poll due out on Sunday night and the next Roy Morgan poll will give much food for thought to those on the lower reaches of the Labour Party list.
42 comments:
What's promising about this is the long term vision Goff has. He is prepared to be unpopular in the short term for long-term benefits for NZ. Pouplist politics is being marginalised for the good of the country and the future. National's obsession with popularity is driving the economy into the dirt. Their ridiculous asset sales spin has fooled short term thinkers, like James Stephenson, but not the progressives. God is not a short term thinker is he INV2? You are sadly blinkered as to the terrible job the right is doing. You should be pressuring your 'side' to do better. It is hypocritical not to.
Consistent is correct Inv2.
Wake up!
What do you call the lower reaches of the Labour List - anyone below 10 perhaps.
CNT - The last two politicians to have long term visions for NZ and Ruth Richardson. In both instances they got `kneecapped' by lily livered poll driven Prime Ministers.
We would not be having this debate had either been allowed to proceed.
CNT, don't talk rubbish.
Goff is on the record as recently as 2009 as being opposed to a CGT. He is only doing this because he needs a circuit breaker (read popular policy).
Trouble is, his radar is so far off the scale, he wouldn't know a circuit breaker if it bit him on the arse.
"What's promising about this is the long term vision Goff has."
That has to be the funniest comment I have seen, trying to explain Goff's total lack of credibility with the voters.
Maybe you meant 'rear' vision. he has, after all, been in parliament since 1981.
Have Labour announced the CGT proposal yet are are you critics all premature?
I suspect (though I don't know the details yet) that Key will be heavily damaged by this, and has already sustained wounds from the media over his shrill, arm-waving hysteria brought on by the recognition that Labour have out-manoeuvred him. Even you acolytes don't sound convincing in your dismissal. This is a winner.And it makes for a great show. Bring it on Goff!
"Goff's long term vision"...quick! Nurse! The needle and thread to re-stitch my sides...
There are Christmas Turkeys with better long term propects than Phil Goff.
James Stephenson's long term vision is still focussed on the country his boys grow up in not sinking PIGS-like into a sea of debt...
I just wanted to use this name before Robert did.
All this mirth.... that's why this blog is known as Laughing Stock. A personal dislike of labour and Phil Goff clouds the political judgement of INV2's right wing idealogues. Dr Norman had Key pinned in the corner yesterday with his dagger through the heart questions - all those advisors to Key recommended a CGT. I don't know why I bother contributing such insight when I'm obviously dealing with hypocritical numpties. INV2 you really pulled together the brains trust of the blogoshpere here. Robert, I think is the exception to the unthinking majority. Compare his and James sense of cycling. One writes fondly of thin young European men in lycra with shaved legs who like to enhance their performance with drugs, the other does not. Black and white. Left and Right.
Goodness! Robert's got a fan club!!
And James; I think that the turkeys you are referring to might be mid-winter Christmas ones!
I heard Goof on the radio today. He had the filthy commie audacity to say. "This new tax policy will say that it is not OK for some to develop wealth when they're not generating wealth for the country!" Despite the juvenile syntax I think he's saying we are to dispense with personal ambition and enterprise unless we are prepared to dish it all around. He is a loser and a commie thief.
Cadwallader
Idealogical is the preserve of the left...over here we just deal with the logical bit.
Sir Kit! Damn! On the tip of my tongue and forefinger!Can I declare that I am Bic Pentameter! Too late, the moment's passed.
James is Inv2's hit-man, but it's more an air-shot than a K.O. I always worry when a person refers to himself in the third-person - "James Stephenson's long-term vision..." pffffffffft
What to say about Codswallopers dehydrated rant, "filthy commie audacity.."?
Nuttin'
"pffffft"
You're leaking air again Rob, stuff a sock in the hole, there's a good chap.
Hello! What a lively debate! I'm new here. I'm over 16 years old. I like John Key. I think he's a nice man. I don't really care where he takes the country though. I'm too young for that. I understand how he needs friends now he's an adult. I used to be a bit of a spoon too. I wonder if the policy he delivers is his or if others are responsible for it? I'd like to think he was as nice around the cabinet table as he is on the telly. Phil Goff seems nice too. He does seem not so good at the sound bite though. AND his policy certainly differs from what he may have believed in once. Excuse me, INV2, but that's ok isn't it? I think when we look inside ourselves we acknowledge belief changes. I used to believe in God but now I believe in reality. There! I said it. Even though it makes me dull and logical. I like cycling too!! I have to say though I found the comment about lycra and European men a bit suggestive. I'm surprised James Stephenson is so obviously enamoured with them. The James I know wouldn't take that lying down. Or standing up actually. INV2 thank you for the opportunity to comment. I hope John Key continues to be 100% honest with us all and that we refrain from holding the blowtorch to his ideas just because the other lot aren't our cup of tea. Yours, in the christian spirit that conquered the world through missionary style, Newby.
Inv2! I think 'Newby' is James Stephenson!
I'm HURT by your lack of faith Newby. John Key is just a man, you would have us believe but to me he is so much more than that, he is my Light and my Life. When John speaks he speaks 2 me FROM HIS SOUL. He loves us all, U 2 Newby though you can't feel his love like I do, like Inventory2 does, like James does, YOU LACK FAITH IN JOHN. I weep 4 U. John loves the Boat People 2 but he must be firm 4 THEIR OWN GOOD and the Pike River miner HEROES if it was up to John they would STILL BE ALIVE! I weep with John 4 them and 4 CHRISTCHURCH, John's home town, the city HE LOVES.
Newby I BESEECH THEE don't hate John.
Don't hate John.
Evidence of global warming here.
Blowflies breeding in the middle of winter.
An interesting menagerie you have here at your Blog, IV2.
I look on in amazement but dare not do more.
What do you use for bait?, and do you throw the small ones back?
db..
@ db; all I can put it down to is the weather!
Bouy there are some weirdos around this afternoon.
Some of them almost make RG look sane - or are they RG in drag?
I sometimes wonder that myself pdm, but Robert assures me that he posts only under his own name (except when he was further south than usual, and posted as Stewart I. Land), and I take him at his word. i think these strms are getting to people; there must be an outbreak of cabin fever at the moment!
I know it I know it James is talking about lycra and taut thighs and newby likes his sportsmen standing up or lying down or in the missionary position and inconsistent name tag dreams of shaved legs and pdm likes them in drag @#$%^&* It's Rainbow Day at Keeping Stock and all the fairies have come out to play!!!!!!!!!
Saw Goff on the news Inv2, teasing the media-bunnies about tomorrow's announcement - he looked comfortable and confident. You ought to worry (I know you are) about this move by Labour. It's solid. Key should have flown it himself. He's mis-stepped and Goff has called it correctly. Run him down all you will (I know you will, it's your raison d'etre) but he's on a winner here. The poll you cling to, showing reluctance by voters for CGT also shows far greater mistrust for Key's beloved asset sales. The news, for you Key-lovers, is bad, bad, bad.
Robert; I'm not clinging to any poll. The polling referred to was conducted by the Labour Party itself, in-house. It's not a rogue poll by some polling organisation.
But speaking of polls by polling organisations, did you notice Goff's support in the 3News poll from Sunday. He got 6.9% in the Preferred Prime Minister poll. When the ratings were given for those people who identified themselves as Labour voters, Goff's rankings rose to a stratospheric 13.6%. So not only do almost 70% of the people Labour themselves polled over the tax package not approve of it, but over 86% of Labour leaning voters from the 3News poll prefer someone other than Goff as their preferred Prime Minister.
Goff has created huge expectation of tomorrow's policy release; this shapes as a potential over-egged pudding. Unfortunately I will be on the road at the time, so comment may have to wait.
You have deluded yourself Inv2.
Even when Goff's CGT proposals turn the tide of public support, you'll deny what's in front of your eyes. No matter.
Time
will
tell
:-)
Deluded Robert? Not at all. But I agree; time will tell. And unfortunately, time is something that Labour does not have the luxury of.
If the CGT to be announced tomorrow includes business and farm sales, there will be a significant backlash. And it's interesting that there are strong rumours that the top tax rate will kick in at $150k pa; strangely, just above the level of what a back-bench MP earns. Make of that what you will.
Unfortunately for your wishful thinking Robert, as I pointed out the other day, the preferred PM number is the most useful measure of how much people are listening to your message...6.9% tells me that Goff could have the most powerful policy engine in the country about to be revved up but his tyres have bugger all grip.
It sounds just right to me Inv2 - those who have avoided paying their fair share of tax for so long now, will have to pay, just like the rest of us do. That's the story being offered and I think New Zealanders will think that's fair. After all Inv2, it's not the detail that captures people, it's the story. Goff's got this one right on!
James - your claim around 'preferred Prime Minister' as a measure of how well an idea will be received is naive, ill-founded nonsense. It doesn't stack up by anyone's reckoning. Get a better idea and come back when you have something to offer. That's just too shallow for me to bother with.
@ Robert (8.03pm) said:
Get a better idea and come back when you have something to offer. That's just too shallow for me to bother with.
Maybe, just maybe the problem is with you; had you considered that? Just sayin' and trying hard not to be shallow.
PS - I'd trade my tax bill for yours any day!
Just pay it Inv2 and stop trying to palm it off on a hard-working earner like me!
You fat-cat employers are all the same. No matter, Goff'll sort you out tomorrow and then again after the election.
I'm a hard-working earner too Rob; Salaried, not dividends, drawings or directors' fees. PAYE and Kiwisaver gets deducted every pay, and I'm better at paying GST. PAYE etc and Company Tax than Matt McCarten, with his six-figure debt to the IRD. I bet he'd squeal if a rich fat-cat did that to Unite members eh.
Hahaha...shall I translate?
"Too shallow for me to bother with" = too straightforward and irrefutable for you to argue with.
"James Stephenson said...
Idealogical is the preserve of the left...over here we just deal with the logical bit."
James - I've tried to find something of yours that's got depth but there's nothing. The example above illustrates the paucity of your thought and its lack of substance. Yours is the formulaic opinion of a lackey.If you were to present even one issue of substance I might enjoy engaging you in debate, but so far, pap. Put aside your tiresome, clichéd Tory splutter and say something original. It might make your head spin, sure, but you'll get used to it, eventually. I'll go easy on you at the start, til you're up and running.
There's a good chap.
As for the Capital Gains Tax, here's a list of people who now all agree with Labour…
The Dominion Post
NBR
Herald on Sunday
Gisborne Herald
Waikato Times
The Greens
The IMF
The OECD
and columnists
Paul Little
Mike Hosking
Gordon Campbell
Anthony Hubbard
Patrick Smellie
Vernon Small
Corin Dann
Andrea Vance
John Hartvell
Matthew Hooten
John Roughan
Duncan Garner
John Armstrong
Bernard Hickey plus Academic tax experts, economists and Treasury
And here's the list of people who agree with John Key...
John Key, ACT and the IRD. (cough) That's a lonely threesome
Tumeke! Eh e hoa - tumeke!
So you're going to chip at a throwaway one-liner, but you're not prepared to debate the substance of the Preferred PM rating being a good proxy measurement for the extent to which the electorate is paying attention to your message then?
I think we can draw additional conclusions from that, can't we?
Oh sure, let's see. Goff (very low in the Preferred Prime Minister poll) says that Capital gains Tax is an idea that will be of benefit to the country. John Key (very high in the same poll) says that CGT would be 'a dagger through the heart of the economy'.
The electorate seems to be paying a great deal of attention to Mr Goff's proposal, even in it's 'unreleased' form, despite his poor poll rating, as evidenced by the support of these people:
The Dominion Post
NBR
Herald on Sunday
Gisborne Herald
Waikato Times
The Greens
The IMF
The OECD
and columnists
Paul Little
Mike Hosking
Gordon Campbell
Anthony Hubbard
Patrick Smellie
Vernon Small
Corin Dann
Andrea Vance
John Hartvell
Matthew Hooten
John Roughan
Duncan Garner
John Armstrong
Bernard Hickey plus Academic tax experts, economists and Treasury .
Mr Key's proposal to sell New Zealander's assets, despite coming from a man who, as you will no doubt point out but don't need to as I already have, is high in the polls of popularity, is not being met favourably at all, either in polls done amongst 'ordinary people, nor amongst commentators.
The electorate might be paying attention James, but they're not swallowing Popular Mr Key's crap :-)
Was this the 'straight forward and irrefutable' argument you are referring to:
""Goff's long term vision"...quick! Nurse! The needle and thread to re-stitch my sides...
There are Christmas Turkeys with better long term propects than Phil Goff.
James Stephenson's long term vision is still focussed on the country his boys grow up in not sinking PIGS-like into a sea of debt..."
or was it this one:
""pffffft"
You're leaking air again Rob, stuff a sock in the hole, there's a good chap."
I've searched the thread and that's all I could find of yours, though there is the suggestion that you are also posting as Newby, in which case you have made some very good points!
From Stuff this morning Robert:
The tax is forecast to raise $2.6 billion a year by 2021, but will provide little cash early on.
Labour will rely on income of about $250m a year from the new top rate to boost revenue in the short term.
Labour has already announced new spending promises costing between $5 and $7billion pa; where's the money coming from?
You're hopping from foot to foot Inv2.
Goff's got you dancing on a hot-plate.
It's lovely to watch!
The only way Goof can draw attention to himself would be to become a suicide bomber...which electorally he already is!
Faversham
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