Monday, September 26, 2011

Nek minnit; we're banned!

Oh dear; we managed to upset Clare Curran last night.

There's this viral video on YouTube at the moment; Nek Minnit. We don't quite understand the hype, but we did understand the parody video that Clare posted on Red Alert of an apparent flip-flop from John Key. So we thought we'd be clever. We added this comment:

"Phil Goff sold $9b worth of assets in the 1980's; nek minnit..."


Now that's not what we'd consider offensive or abusive. In fact it's a statement of fact. Phil Goff was a member of the Labour cabinet throughout the period 1984 to 1990, when asset sales were on the agenda. And as cabinet is bound by the principle of collective cabinet responsibility for decisions taken, Phil Goff was indeed an asset-seller.

We struck a nerve; within a few minutes, this appeared:

Inventory2 says:

You are now banned. Clare


Now Clare Curran is an expert in public relations. She was such an expert that David Parker wanted her to work for the Ministry for the Environment a few years ago, leading to the infamous Erin Leigh affair, which had an airing in the Supreme Court two weeks ago. And before she won selection for her electorate seat in Dunedin, Ms Curran used her expertise within the party. Muriel Newman, former Act MP blogged this in June 2006:

“Framing” is the political left’s new buzzword for what used to be called brainwashing. It has been developed into an art form by George Lakoff, Professor of Linguistics at Berkley University and forms the basis of a paper prepared by communications consultant Claire Curran for last month’s Labour Party’s Southland Regional Conference. Called “Language Matters: Setting agendas - taking charge of the debate”, the paper describes the necessity of capturing the language for the center-left if Labour is to win the next election. It provides an insight into their communication strategy.

The key message delivered in the paper is that Labour must take control of the language: “This paper is about Labour taking greater charge of the language of debate and discussion in New Zealand . It is called ‘re-framing’ and it means gaining (or regaining) the use of concepts and phrases that spark public and media interest. If you control the language, you control the message. The media doesn’t create the message, they run with it”.

Clare Curran most certainly takes "control of the language" at Red Alert, as we found out last night. Red Alert is not the last bastion of free speech, as you would expect the blog of a liberal, progressive poltical party to be; if the moderators don't like what you say, they indeed take "charge of the debate" to ensure that no contrary opinions are expressed.

Now it's their blog, and it's their right to allow or refuse any content. But we reckon that the moderators at Red Alert, mainly Clare and Trevor Mallard are too quick on the trigger. Cameron Slater managed a few "nek minnits" before being put into moderation, whereafter his attempts at irony and sarcasm disappeared into cyberspace.

We've been blogging longer than Red Alert has, and we can say with pride that we have NEVER banned anyone. We have deleted a few comments; probably less than 50 out of almost 18,500 which people have left at Keeping Stock; generally because they were irrelevant or off-topic, and generally after a warning as Robert will testify. We have tolerated a level of personal abuse, and abuse of the choices we make with our life. We prefer to leave comments in place, and as we have said before, we reckon that they reveal more about the person making the comment than they do about the subject of the comment.

So we say this to Clare and Trevor; controlling the message is one thing, but if you want open and honest debate, you need to lighten up a little. When even Labour-aligned bloggers such as Robert Winter and Imperator Fish are questioning the value of Red Alert, you should be listening. Shutting down debate will just take that debate elsewhere.

We'll cop our ban sweet, and wear it as a badge of honour, as we do our ban at The Standard. And we'll continue to encourage debate at our place from right across the spectrum, with our usual tolerance, good humour, and the patience of a saint, and without a thought to controlling the language; because we're just ordinary folk; not PR experts.

26 comments:

Linda Reid said...

Banned for telling the truth. Hmmm. Maybe lies are more acceptable at Red Alert.

homepaddock said...

Constable Curran of the Thought Police saves the day for the left.

pdm said...

INv - at least you got told. I appear to be banned (again) and had a comment just disappear with no explanation. My apparent crime suggesting Labour could become a minority coalition partner with National if its current decline in the polls continues. I even put an lol with it to try and show it was a joke.

Linda Reid - I have been banned about 4 or 5 times at RA - in almost every case I recounted true events that Labour were involved with.

Quintin Hogg said...

Well done I2.

Banned from both the "slandered" and the "blert". You must be devastated (not).

Now the left can rest easy.

Seriously your moderation policy or lack of (as is the case with Kiwiblog) is why both your blogs get traction that others don't.

I don't think the "slandered" and the "blert" get that.

Anonymous said...

Wear it as a badge of honour for you are honourable!

Cadwallader

Lofty said...

Ah well IV2 sleep, lose, not.

Curran missed her era, now that the cold war is over.

James Stephenson said...

Handball on the line prevents Social Media Own-Goal.

Jacqueline said...

Lame reason to be banned, but it did give me a giggle this morning! Ya gotta laugh.

Not positive re this KS but i don't think that blogspot gives us the ability to ban anyone.

I could be wrong.

Inventory2 said...

I think you're right Jackie, but you can ask people to leave, and I haven't felt the need to do that yet; I have been sorely tempted though!

But on the left-leaning blogs like Red Alert and The Standard, banning is standard fare; so much for the left's love of free speech.

Jacqueline said...

There have been a few nasties that frequent my blog that i sure would like to ban.

You are right though KS - you are good at not moderating.

Robert's nek minnit post re your banning was the funny part.

You two are a crack up.

pdm said...

Inv - just been to RA for a look and saw this:

"jem says:
September 26, 2011 at 1:03 pm

Those of us who believe in Freedom of speech…and not the Communist Chinese approach adopted by Labour … want to know why Inventory2 was banned for a comment that was purely a statement of fact and not abusive in any way?

Does the Truth terrify you that much??"

Well done jem!!!

Inventory2 said...

Well done indeed Jem; even though I don't have a clue as to who you are!

It'll probably cost Jem a ban as well, be one can't fault him/her for having a go.

adamsmith1922 said...

I2 - only person I barred was an out and out US based racist.

Clare Curran's and Trevor's approach to moderation are worse than No Right Turn allowing no comments. Clare and Trevor like many on the left seek to give the appearance of free speech, whilst in practice denying it.

I expected it of Trevor, but Clare should know better

Inventory2 said...

Quite so Adam. Clare should no better than anyone that there's a significant difference between controlling the language and being a control freak.

Anonymous said...

Leftie blogs.Banning is their usual procedure. It reminds me of the film "The Lives Of Others" where a stazi snooper kept a file on a citizen by eavesdropping.The Left conducts itself from a stance of totalitarianism and nothing will sway it.

Cadwallader

Jem said...

Inv2 - Glad to be able to contribute.

Claires response to my posts was that you did one of 4 things agaisnt their rules.

-Keep it relevant to the post
-Keep it clean.
-Don’t make it personal
-Don’t tell lies

Cant figure out which one your post falls under???

Quintin Hogg said...

Jem,

I saw that response by Clare Curran and thought what the!

The comment met all the moderation requirements apart from not being appreciated by the moderator.

Her actions and the comments by Trotter on public ownership and control of the media suggest an agenda on the left to govern, in due course, what the media says and what is said on blogs not withstanding the right to freedom of expression and thought contained in the Bill of Rights Act.

Grantavius Kennarius said...

Labour is not a "liberal, progressive political party". Progressives advocate changes that they regard as being beneficial in society through governmental action, and although often socially liberal they are not economically liberal.

pdm said...

Just been in for another look Inv. You have a few more defenders including Monty, Lofty and a Jeff all saying you have been hard done by and Jeff actually quoted what you said and appears to live.

Here is Clares respnse:

"Clare Curran says:
September 26, 2011 at 2:59 pm

If he’d expressed the comment that way he wouldn’t have been banned. I have been and taken a look at previous comments going back. All provocative and nasty. No doubt about intent.

Read our moderation policy. It’s quite clear."

You are an `agent provacateur (sp) and a habitual offender - you nasty man you.

Jeff said...

You are becoming quite a celebrity Inv 2. Latest from Clare...

"If he’d expressed the comment that way he wouldn’t have been banned. I have been and taken a look at previous comments going back. All provocative and nasty. No doubt about intent."

Legend!!

Inventory2 said...

Provocative; undeniably. But there's no nastiness.

Anyway, as far as Clare goes, she's fallen foul of #1 of WhaleOils's rules of politics; explaining is losing. So much for "controlling the language" eh!

robertguyton said...

You're hurting Inv2 - that's completely understandable.
Go back to Clare, cap in hand, swallow your foolish Tory pride and plead to be re-admitted. And then Inv2, you hot-headed fool, mind your manners when you're on other people's blogs - Clare's is not the first banning you've earned. Take a page from my Commentor's Notebook, always be polite and never criticise your host :-)

robertguyton said...

Inv2 - I've posted this over at Ele's and out of respect and because of my love for good manners, I'll drop it in here as well.
It's all meant in good humour, so don't go banning me, just because you've had a taste of it yourself :-)

"In typical Tory fashion, the cabal of do-gooder, Key-luvvin', blue-rinsed bloggers have cobbled together a lame, self-congratulatory apology for the behaviour of one of their own, Inventory2, who got his arse handed to him by a Labour MP and blogger at Red Alert. "I only said.." whined Invent-a-story, ignoring the clear message given to him by Ms Curran, that his on-going sniping on the Left-wing blog had not gone unnoticed, and that he'd pushed it too far as was being dealt-to in the same fashion that the BlogHero of the Right, 'Flappy Feet' Farrar, dealt to one of his most lively and valuable commentators some time ago. Not content to 'take it on the chin', as every pest should, Mr Inventory started and fanned a small, heat-less fire of indignation on his own blog, yowling and mewling about the terribly, terribly unjust treatment he'd been the victim of, all the while refusing to see the bigger picture - that is, he'd been asking for it. He's already been tossed like a salad from The Standard, now he's been sorted by a chick on Red Alert. Take your medicine INV2! It only hurts when we laugh :-) "

pdm said...

RG said:

"mind your manners when you're on other people's blogs - Clare's is not the first banning you've earned. Take a page from my Commentor's Notebook, always be polite and never criticise your host :-)"

RG shows his true colours and is nothing more than an IGNORANT HYPOCRITE!!

gravedodger said...

Now that the shining whit has explained it all it is just so clear.
Phew aint that a relief and I thought you had offended someone !v2 you saboteur you.

Not sure why Guyton feels so incensed about the Labour party blog explaining the inexplicable, defending the indefensible or defining the indefinable, tho at present they are scarcely able to organise a piss up in a brewery.

Total shambles doesn't quite do it justice.

Inventory2 said...

Don't stress about it pdm; Robert's just taking the piss, as is his wont. Deep down he knows that an injustice as been done, and one day the green and red scales will fall from his eyes...