Thursday, September 29, 2011

UPDATED: The two sides of Ms Morse

UPDATE: We seldom agree with former Phil Goff staffer John Pagani, but to his credit he is the one left-leaning blogger who is prepared to see past the smoke-and-mirrors of the Urewera 18; he blogs (with our emphasis added):

There is a twisted far-left narrative that goes: The cops needed to confect a conspiracy because they were so excited about a war on terror! Having a Terrorism Act they had to find some terrorists! They made it up!.

Anyone repeating this claim now discredits themselves.

Molotov cocktails and semi-automatic weapons require lengthy and detailed explanations from the accused (and now acquitted) long before they require explanations from the police.

Yes, there is a right to silence in criminal law. But we are talking not about criminal sanction.

These people have demanded the moral high ground, and demanded the support of the left. Far too many gifted it too cheaply.

Valerie Morse said on radio today she doesn't have to comment on the evidence because it was gathered illegally and it's up to the police to prove her guilt, which they will never be able to do.

But she does have some explaining to do if she hopes to influence public opinion, or cast herself as a victim.

So does every other apology seeker: Were you part of the molotov throwing, semiautomatic firing group, or not? You cannot purport to be an anti war activist when you are throwing molotov cocktails.


John Pagani has risen considerably in our esteem today.




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Valerie Morse is a high-profile activist. She gained notoriety for burning the NZ flag at an ANZAC Day service in Wellington in 2007, and was of course one of those arrested during the course of the Urerewa "terrorist" raids in that same year. Charges against her as a result of the latter were dropped a couple of weeks ago after the Supreme Court decision excluding evidence gained by covert surveillance.


Ms Morse told Victoria University's magazine Salient in 2007 of her desire for a peaceful world. Salient quotes her thus:

In an interview with Salient in May this year, Valerie said, “My heart and my passion is really about stopping wars and stopping the horrors that are associated with wars. I suppose the exploitation and domination of people. I want to see a world free of violence and war.”


Today, the Herald has published an outline of some of the evidence which the Supreme Court ruled to be inadmissable. We should be grateful that suppression orders surrounding this evidence were lifted, because it is rather troubling; check this out:

Evidence from Detective Sergeant Aaron Pascoe was given to the hearing that film and photographs of a September 2007 camp showed a woman he said was Ms Morse holding an object believed to be a Molotov cocktail.

The person carried the object out of the view of the camera and returned a short time later without it.

Mr Pascoe was to give evidence that he believed she threw the Molotov cocktail into an outdoor oven, where police later found remnants of Molotov cocktails.

He concluded the person in the film and photographs was Ms Morse because that person was wearing clothing the same as Ms Morse was seen wearing when she was observed on her way to Ruatoki.

In both cases, the clothing was three-quarter trousers, two-tone footwear and a black long-sleeved, round-neck t-shirt.

That was the only basis for the identification because in all the images her face was concealed.

The judge said other evidence tended to corroborate the identification. Ms Morse was seen travelling into the area before the camp, and police found the t-shirt at her house.

Two surveillance cameras were set up and showed a group of people "milling about" the area. Some were running down a path towards where the burnt-out oven was later found.

Many people moving in different directions were shown in the video film, and one person - not the person alleged to be Ms Morse - could be seen making the throwing motion with an object in his hand.

Photos of a person holding a pistol in various military type poses were said to be of Ms Morse.


It makes us wonder; why would a person who wants to see "a world free of violence and war" be learning to make and throw Molotov cocktails in a remote part of New Zealand in the company of other activists, and why would she be posing military-style with a firearm?

The Urewera defendants who had their charges dismissed recently should be counting themselves very fortunate; it would seem, if you'll pardon the expression, that they have dodged a bullet. The charges have not been dismissed because there was no evidence of wrong-doing, but because the Supreme Court ruled that the evidence of wrong-doing was inadmissable.


14 comments:

robertguyton said...

Good grief, Inv2 - pathetic

Inventory2 said...

Yes Robert; the disconnect between her words and deeds is indeed pathetic.

robertguyton said...

You have proof of her 'deeds'?
Or are you spreading un-substantiated rumour?

Inventory2 said...

No, of course I don't have proof. The Herald story was a fabrication by RWNJ's

For goodness sake Robert; check te links if you need verification. Everything that is said is in the public domain, and the substance of the evidence evaluated by the Supreme Court was not disputed; merely the manner in which it was collected.

Anyway; what do YOU think Robert. Is training with Molotov cocktails and posing with guns consistent with someone who professes to want a world free of violence and war? What say you?

robertguyton said...

Do you have evidence of wrong doing from Ms Morse that is sufficient to convict her, Inv2, or are you relying on that incredibly flimsy, unsubstantiated, tenuous stuff you've posted?
Really, Inv2, is that it? That's what you are happy to slight someone with?
Milling about! Good grief!
The police found a t-shirt? Out rageous!
"The person carried the object out of the view of the camera and returned a short time later without it."
Good grief!
She's worse than evil, that t-shirted, milling about, 'returned a short time later without it' criminal!
No wonder you're incensed, Inv2.
Lock your doors tonight, Valerie's on the loose!

jh said...

Need Glasses Robert?

Nothing (scrambling for glasses) to see here.....!

Inventory2 said...

You might be interested in John Pagani's opinion Robert; at least one Leftie is prepared to call it as it is:

http://johnpagani.posterous.com/call-of-duty

Anonymous said...

If we wanted to know Robert Guyton's opinion on everything wouldn't we go to his blog?

Yes, we would.

robertguyton said...

I've just seen you over there now Anonymous. Hope you found what you were looking for.
Inv2 - yours is supposition only.
You don't know anything at all with certainty, so you are guessing. Pretty confident that you are right, obviously, because you are prepared to make claims against a person who has been aquitted. You are happy to try her by blog. Very noble of you.
You remind me here of Michael Laws. This is not a compliment Inv2.
As for jh, it's not that there's 'nothing to see here', it's just that we leave accusations and trials to the justice system, not hand resoponsibility for trying and judging to bloggers like Inv2, who has a clear agenda that couldn't be considered by any stretch of the imagination, to be unbiased.

James Stephenson said...

What's the problem? She obviously just wants to be able to burn flags from further away in future...

Inventory2 said...

Why don't you address the issues Pagani has raised Robert? Attacking the messenger when you don't like what's been said is getting tiresome.

Anonymous said...

If.

Not.

Leg Break said...

Changing topic just a little.

Pagani’s spot on the money here:

http://johnpagani.posterous.com/mark-reason-is-awesome

Anonymous said...

RG - you've again made the mistake of saying she was acquitted. That has not happened. She was not acquitted. What the Supreme Court said was the evidence of wrong doing the police were relying on was wrongfully obtained and therefore inadmissable. There was no 'acquittal' or proof of innocence.

In fact I would suggest completely the opposite. The Supreme Court wiouldn't have bothered with the case if the individuals were clearly innocent!

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