Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Will this satisfy the dissenters?

The Government now has the numbers to progress the Bill to clean up the mess left by the recent Supreme Court decision on the Urewera 17; the Herald reports:

The Goverment has the numbers to progress a bill next week to enable police use of video surveillance while investigating crimes.

But the Act Party announced this afternoon they would support the bill at its first reading on the condition that it would be subject to 36-hour select committee scrutiny.

"If the Act caucus was happy with the bill as it came out of select committee, we would support it," parliamentary leader John Boscawen said.

The bill would suspend the effect of the Supreme Court decision earlier this month into the Urewera case.

With United Future and Act, the Government no longer needs Labour Party support for the bill to pass its first reading.

The bill would effectively mean police, under a search warrant, can still use hidden cameras on private property to gather evidence - a practice the Supreme Court said was illegal, but which police believed was legal on the common law presumption that it was not unlawful.


This seems to be a sensible compromise, and obviously, there have been plenty of meetings in what would have in days gone by been referred to as smoke-filled rooms. With only six sitting days remaining in the life of the 49th Parliament, a short and sharp Select Committee process can take place, and the Bill can still proceed before the House rises. Those who oppose the intent of the legislation will have the opportunity to make brief submissions before the Bill is reported back.

And in order to secure the support of Act for the First Reading at least, we wonder if anyone needed to remind them that whilst the Bill is at the Select Committee, next Wednesday can become the final Members' Day of this Parliament. Isn't there a Bill awaiting Third Reading which Act has a particular interest in?

Goodness; this seems to be the ultimate win-win situation for the parties of the centre-right!

9 comments:

Quintin Hogg said...

The mess was created by succeeding governments failure to address the issue.
While I accept the police would have been hindered in investigating our home grown terrorists without being able to video them it does not mean they should themselves break the law by obtaining evidence illegaly.

robertguyton said...

"ACT has announced its position on National's plans to oust the rule of law and retrospectively validate unlawful police surveillance, saying that they want the bill to go to select committee. So that's that then. The government has no majority for this change, and will not be able to ram it through without public scrutiny."

NoRightTurn sees it differently Inv2.

big news said...

The Govt does not have the numbers to pass the bill and that's not what the Herald claims either.

At this stage, ACT has not given support to a second reading, let alone the third...

Inventory2 said...

Thanks Big News; changes made in line with your comment.

@ Robert - I don't see that much difference; Act has agreed to a 36hr Select Committee process, and will make a decision on its support for the remaining stages following that. There WILL be public scrutiny, albeit over a compressed time period. Sorry if I did not make that clear.

Anonymous said...

Jesus was regarded as a terrorist and activist of the left.
He is also the Son of God and the holy ghost and God himself, all wrapped up into one neat little parcel. I believe he is the creator and judge of all who bow before him and all who do not. Praise be unto him. Praise be unto the lord god our saviour. INV2, join me and pray for the well being of all you dislike and all you would have change their beliefs to align with yours, that the world may be a more divine place full of mortal infidels. Amen!

Robert Winter said...

No

robertguyton said...

It will show which parties would rather let criminals walk than fix the errors of the past.
It could be that the Greens' opposition results in killers being set free to walk amongst us as we go about our lawful business; brushing past our grandmothers and granddaughters as they shop, fidget furtively beside us as we sit law-abidingly in the cinema, stand un-shaven beside us as we watch the rugby as we are entitled to do.
Any party or politician that seeks to oppose John's Law should be vilified and drummed out of the House then left in the gentle care of the guys from the Sensible Sentencing Trust. That's the kiwi way.
The police should be allowed to install spy cameras any where, any time they want. They are our Trusted Big Brothers.

Inventory2 said...

Goodness Robert; have you been drinking again?

robertguyton said...

From the well of popular opinion Inv2, from whence you sup.