Oh; the irony. Matt McCarten preaching about integrity is akin to Trevor Mallard or Winston Peters complaining about the behaviour of senior MP's, or to Gerry Brownlee and Parekura Horomia becoming ambassadors for Rebel Sports.
McCarten never did get around to answering the questions we asked him a while back, especially these ones:
Last but not least, and noticing the dates during which payments to IRD were systematically withheld, here are some final questions:
- Was the money owing to IRD used for other activities?
- How much of the money withheld and owing to IRD was used for Unite union campaigns or publicity?
- How much of the money withheld and owing to IRD was used for any activities in any way related to the 2008 General Election?
- What donations of money, time and/or resources were made to political parties in the period October 2007 to March 2009, and which parties were the beneficiaries of donations from Unite Union or Unite Social Services Limited?
And lastly:
- What would Unite Union and Matt McCarten's reaction be if an employer employing staff who are members of Unite Union withheld payments to the IRD totalling more than $250,000, and for a period of eighteen months?
Before Matt McCarten starts throwing stones at those he accuses of lacking integrity, he ought to step out of the glasshouse.
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Yeah I followed your link to McCarten's story Keeping Stock thanks for that. McCarten says some funny things alright like 'John Key will hope the debacle will have blown over by the time Parliament reconvenes. Fat chance.' That fat chance bit must be about Kim Dotcom because he's not skinny! McCarten also says The fact that Key didn't know for months that the agency he is constitutionally required to oversee was acting illegally is mindboggling. Mindboggling alright unbelievable more like! I haven't met anyone who believes that Key didn't know all along. McCarten says Our current Prime Minister was asleep at the wheel and failed in one of his primary duties. Could you imagine for a second that Helen Clark would have been so careless? That really gets to the heart of the matter for me. Key is way out of his depth here. It's fun bouncing from cloud to cloud but that's if you are a junkie, not the Prime Minister.
Way to play the man and not the ball, IV2. Your mates in the National Party Research Unit wouldn't want you to try and address the issues. Impressive.
Complaints about playing the man and not the ball lose their effectiveness when you play the man by telling lies Edward.
Must...attack....McCarten!
Must...shield...Key!
Where's the lie? They wouldn't be happy if you raised Key's department's illegal and incompetent behaviour. Best you stick to the ad homs.
I will say this once, and once only Edward. I have no "mates in the National Party Research Unit" nor am I a member of any political party at the moment, National included. I do not rely on the NPRU to provide me with subjects to blog on; never have, and never will.
Feel free to accept my word. However if you continue to lie, you will find that you are no longer welcome here.
"could you imagine for a second that Helen Clark would have been so careless?"
Yes, yes I can. Try when riding in the back of a speeding motorcade late for a rugby game. Oh, has she painted any portraits for her fellow incompetents at the UN?
Would you apply the same logic to politicians of the ilk you prefer Walter K? Perhaps you can remember back to just before the last election when Russel Norman's executive assistant, and her partner, amused themselves by defacing National Party billboards. It was a criminal offence I understand, breaching the electoral act, but, as usual, the police chose not to prosecute. Russel claimed not to know anything about it. Do you really believe him? If so I have a bridge in New York I am willing to sell you.
What did Russel do. Allowed her, taxpayer paid mind you, leave for the rest of the campaign and then put her back into his office the day after the election.
Why did he not follow the same rules as he seems to think apply to the GCSB.
alwyn - don't be so silly. There's no comparison to be made between billboard defacing and this outrageous, serious and deeply worrying series of events? No, there's not, despite your mad obsession with trying to trip up the Greens. This spying scandal and Key's incompetence around it all, is the story that has to be explored.
Key and English were asleep at the wheel and once exposed, they are doing everything they can to hide their stupidity.
Clark, careless?
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
So, Walter, if every time an employee forgets to check facts before acting on behalf of his or her employer, you believe that the Chairman of every company in the country should be held accountable or "exposed". The economy would flatline if this was how we operated (perhaps though that is what you and your lefty mates want - after all you almost succeeded between 1999 and 2008). This Dotcom nonsense is nothing more than an operational failure and Liebour and the communists in green jackets are molehill building.
@ Bunk - don't mention Helen Clark! Edward will think that you are one of those hateful National Party Research Unit types.
But seeing as you HAVE mentioned Helen Clark, here's an example of what a simple Google search of "helen clark phillip field" produced:
One justification that has been trotted out for Field is that some sort of cultural misunderstanding led to his offending. This is not only culturally insulting, it also does not square with the facts of Field's own background. Field was born in Western Samoa but he came to New Zealand when he was seven. He grew up here and was educated here at Victoria University before working as a clerk in the Treasury. He did return briefly to Western Samoa, and relearnt the Samoan language, but he came back to New Zealand at the age of 22 and has lived and worked here, as a meat worker, union official and MP, ever since. He has no grounds for not understanding what was expected of him as a New Zealand member of Parliament.
Among the most shameful aspects of this sorrowful affair was the attempt by the Labour government of the time, when the scandal first made the headlines, to trivialise it. The prime minister, Helen Clark, set up an inquiry, but it was woefully underpowered, with terms of reference set very narrowly and no power to compel testimony. When it nonetheless reported back detailing a range of abuses by Field and suggesting strongly that it had been misled, Clark and other Labour leaders continued to support Field in the House. It was nearly a year after the original allegations, and only after more revelations were aired and the police began an inquiry, that Labour leaders began publicly to recognise the seriousness of the matter.
Labour's foot-dragging was dictated by a desire not to offend an important political constituency. But whatever the motive, it was not good enough. The country's political and administrative integrity will only be preserved by constant vigilance. If there is a lesson to be drawn from Field's sad case, it is that when such allegations arise they must be dealt with vigorously and promptly.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/editorials/2724129/Editorial-Lesson-to-be-learnt
@ Mr Laughing Man; I agree. Helen Clark was never careless. Every move that she made to protect people, or to inflict another extreme policy on an unsuspecting electorate was carefully calculated, and ruthlessly executed. Think Peter Doone...
Bunk asks "So, Walter, if every time an employee forgets to check facts before acting on behalf of his or her employer, you believe that the Chairman of every company in the country should be held accountable or "exposed"."
No, Bunk, you are too shortsighted to see the difference between an ordinary business snafu and this serious cock-up by Key, English and the spies. It's a matter of scale, so YES, key, as the Minister in charge of a very important organisation and the person with whom the BUCK STOPS, IS responsible. He is either lying or he is incompetent.
Which do you think it is?
Matt McCarten is bad!
The Greens are Bad!
Helen Clark is bad!
You guys are a scream!
Keeping Stock's post features McCarten's Herald on Sunday story about the fools involved in the spy scandal. Is Helen Clark one of those? No. Matt MacCarten? No. The Greens? No.
John Key, Bill English? Why yes, that's who the story's about. Key and English. Incompetent fools.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
No Mr Laughing Man; the post is about the irony of Matt McCarten, proven tax cheat and pontificating union boss preaching about integrity, when for eighteen months he didn't pay the PAYE and other monies he had deducted from his employees to the IRD. Can you imagine his outrage (and justifiably so) had an employer of Unite Union members rorted to system for that long? He is a hypocrite; plain and simple.
Hope that clears up your confusion.
Bringing up Clark and the Field affair.
Desperation!!!
Baaaad Matt!
Gooood John!!
Good God.
Leave them to wallow in their victories of yester-year, Laughing Man.
It's all they have now...
Key has almost certainly, a far shadier past than Mssr Dotcom – his banking positions and the timing of his tenure with Merrill-Lynch and the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank make it almost impossible for him NOT to have known of and abetted the fixing of the LIBOR rates. He clearly was in a position to know what was being done, and will just as clearly claim utter ignorance.
The problem of course is that there will not be any proof. However, the aphorisms about laws only catching the small criminals still ring true.
His banking mates called him “the smiling assassin” for crissakes – the disconnect of his face from his actions and emotions being so inhumanly complete. Certainly he would be a hell of a poker player.
… and I would never trust him with anything.
Goodness; the Robert Guyton clones are here in numbers today...
Just for you Cynthia; another from the Google search:
He was, according to then prime minister Helen Clark, probably only guilty of "trying to be helpful to someone".
A jury has disagreed, and Taito Phillip Field has become the first New Zealand MP to be convicted of accepting bribes and acting corruptly.
Field deserves nothing but contempt. His apologists though not his defence lawyers have tried to portray it as a misunderstanding on the part of papalagi (Pakeha) of both Asian and Pacific island custom, with, in the words of one, "what is regarded as a gift or act of appreciation in these world views ... condemned as bribery by a particular Western world view" that did not take into account the importance in those cultures of looking after face-to-face relationships.
and:
Sadly, the affair reflects badly not only on Field, but on those politicians who put pragmatism and keeping his vote ahead of principle, and tried to close the issue down rather than do the right thing. Miss Clark was initially dismissive, using her favoured "move along, nothing to see here" strategy. When people didn't, she launched a narrow inquiry under Noel Ingram QC.
Despite the constraints on Dr Ingram and a distinct lack of co-operation from some of those involved his report made it clear that something was terribly amiss in the way Field had been handling immigration issues to everyone but Labour MPs, that is. They continued to defend him.
MP Russell Fairbrother told Parliament the report was a tribute to Field's integrity. Deputy prime minister Michael Cullen praised him as a hard-working member. Miss Clark continued to peddle the line that the issue was done with. They seemed to convince Margaret Wilson, the Speaker at the time, who declined to send the issue to the privileges committee.
It was only when the police became involved that Field's wrongdoing was revealed.
Under Parliament's own rules, all members are deemed to be honourable members. Field's corruption has shown that up as the fiction it always was. His Labour colleagues' handling of it simply added to the insult of his crime.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/2724130/Editorial-Labour-tarnished-by-Field-affair
How quickly we forget...
If only I could be myself
when I come to comment here
but just cos you don't like it
the way I smarm and sneer
you won't let me just express my views
in the only way I know
I have to sneak in undercover
because I'm thick and slow
I know that I'm not welcome
but my own blog does not rate
I need someone to needle
I need someone to bait
You have it all here KS
with God and Key and Banks
and I use a lot of different names
to heap myself with thanks
this blog gives me my daily fix
with my satire and my funning
what's more you don't know its me
cos I'm so smart and cunning
I guess "getting integrity" is on Matt's bucket list!
nobody really likes a smart arse do they, RG & mates.
You see your smartalec nonsense only shows you up for what you really are, unsophisticated babes in the wood.
No idea of the real world.
And by the way McCarten has as much integrity as his mates Minto, Bradford, Norman, Delahunty et al.
Walter, Walter, Walter - just like all on the left when backed into a corner you ignore the point made and resort to name calling and block CAPITAL LETTERS. I guarantee you that if it wasnt the PM as minister for this port folio, you and all of your tax and spend mates would be spending Sunday praying to the ghost of Michael Joseph Savage for the polls to rise 0.5%.
Awwwww!
Is that wascal wobbit upsetting this perfectly good "Matt is Bad' thread?
Perhaps you could counter his interference with some substantial comments?
That'd throw the naive babe in the wood into a panic, wouldn't it?
Bunk - backed into a corner?
You are a funny fellow!
It's Key who's backed himself into a corner, dug himself into a deep, dark hole.
'Lefties' aren't in the cactus here, Bunky. National is.
I know.
It hurts.
Suck it up.
...this blog gives me my daily fix
with my satire and my funning
what's more you don't know its me
cos I'm so smart and cunning...
He doesn't think for a moment, that he's undetected.
I think he just doesn't care!
@ Thanks for the memories - Robert Guyton has repeatedly assured my that he only posts under his own name, and as he is a principled Green Party member, I take him at his word. I'm sure it's just people copying his rather distinctive style of prose.
I'd be most disappointed if I ever discovered that Robert wasn't telling me the truth...
Well I guess Mr Mallard, if making something out of nothing is all you got then I wouldnt call it pain - probably more akin to a blow fly in the room which will soon take a dose of raid. You go ahead and enjoy wasting the country's time like you wasted all those surpluses, the country will inevitably move on.
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