Friday, October 26, 2012

Who said this?

Who uttered these words?

We also have a changing political process. We have got rid of door-knocking now—that traditional practice. Instead, we have very expensive phone spamming by Canadian call centres, which will ring 70,000 households—just like that—in order to drum up support for a dying campaign. Yes, this legislation requires transparency by those who are engaged in the electioneering campaign, and the Greens are pleased we were able to expose the rort of 2005 before it could seriously contaminate the election process. This bill helps to protect us against that rort and that kind of corruption. We have obvious examples from other, similar jurisdictions overseas where corruption has infected the political system. US democracy has become a commodity that is routinely bought and sold.
Members should make no mistake: advertising works. In New Zealand the advertising industry is worth more than $2 billion a year. Nobody would spend that kind of money unless it was effective. Democracy in the US, in fact, relies on marketing for its very existence. Who can stand for election and whose message will prevail depends on the donors, and the ongoing flows of cash and donations have come to depend on the elective representatives remembering to pay the piper. It is a form of democracy that has virtually no life at all outside the classic examples, where donations determine who gets to stand and who gets to succeed.

The words were spoken by Metiria Turei, now the co-leader of the Green Party on 18 December 2007. The words were part of her speech during the Third Reading Debate of Labour's insidious Electoral Finance Act.

It's really interesting that five years ago, Metiria Turei was scathing about "US democracy being bought and sold" when Stuff reported this morning:

The Greens have been accused of using child poverty to mislead people into donating to them.
But a spokesman for New Zealand's third-largest party said they were simply adopting fundraising techniques used by the likes of United States President Barack Obama. 

Ah; we see. Money is fine when it's being raised by the Left; it's only when the Right raises money that democracy is "being bought and sold".

Thanks for clearing that up Ms Turei. We now know that not only are the Greens hypocritical in their attitude to money in politics, but they are driven by political ideology. They are most certainly not, as they would want us to believe, pure as the driven snow.

33 comments:

Lofty said...

No surprise here folks.

Do as I say, not do as I do...business as usual.

Dr Desoto said...

More Greenis Envy from Keeping Stock
(there are creams that will help, apparently, and therapy, of course)

Lucy Aslan said...

Mountain from a molehill, KS.
The "Greenis Envy" lable is beginning to stick to you! Take care!

Bunk said...

Yeah, that's it greenies, take aim at the messenger. Perhaps better to spend your time not looking like total hypocrites.

David Slingshot said...

Keeping Stock takes aim at Metiria Turei and Bunk warbles "Yeah, that's it greenies, take aim at the messenger".
Hypocrisy writ large at Keeping Stock.
KS, haven't you got a Goliath or something?
This is embarrassing.

nellie said...

Who's that trip trapping over my bridge?

bsprout said...

Please read my last comments under "The Greens Respond" post. This is getting ridiculous, KS, are you really relating phone spamming by call centres and the billions being spent in US election campaigns with a few thousand raised by the Greens for a campaign against child poverty?

What appears to frighten you the most is that the Greens may get even more public exposure and the wider public may hear their messages and actually agree with them. Probably what is most worrying is that the Greens seem to be supported by mainstream economists, Government commissioners, unions, Christian activists, academics and scientists and this gives them an unfair advantage over parties that base decisions on blind ideology and laissez faire economics.

bsprout said...

...And Metiria was actually talking about the need for transparency in politics and I think that this is a concept lost on many within this National led Government (and most especially a certain coalition party member).

If Metiria is a hypocrite by supporting transparency in politics and then promoting the child poverty campaign, then I have lost the link somehow.

Ray said...

It is not the amount bsprout it is the principal something the Greens seemed to have forgotten with their "for the sake of the starving children" give us some money so we can fly around the world

bsprout said...

You've stumped me there, Ray, I thought that the Green's wanted the money to help them get into Government and fix the mess made by the current one (and most especially help the 270,000 claimed by the Children's Commissioner to be living in poverty). I must have missed where it was revealed that the money is actually going to be used for international flights. This is a new accusation that I will have to add to the list I am compiling (its getting longer and more extraordinary by the minute).

jabba said...

hypocritical messages from the Gweens .. nah.
anyway, the Gweens are getting upset with the H word being fired their way during question time .. poor wee things.
And the more publicity the Gweens get the better.

Bunk said...

No BS Prout, when will you wake up? You are using children in so-called "poverty" to generate a whip around for the Party coffers. Its a disgrace. The international flights idea is presented because even you said that you dont know what the money will be applied to. Just like you have no idea what disaster awaits if Dr Wussel starts printing money.

Aerial View said...

This is a great exchange of ideas here but bsprout's thoughtful comments do make the shills for the rightwing look a bit dense. Perhaps jabba, bunk and ray could include some substance in their otherwise empty posts. A fact or two perhaps, or a well thought out idea. Is that asking too much, KS?

Edward the Confessor said...

How dare the Greens ask for donations in this way! How dare they? The proper way for politicians to get money is to take a helicopter to lunch at the home of a naive new immigrant, suggest you can help them if they pay you large sums, receive those large sums and then lie about it to anyone who asks. Asking people for donations transparently and in public and telling them what it's for is corrupt!

Incensed said...

Damn the Greens and their honest, transparent ways!
Why can't they sneak about and lie the way the Banks/Key government does??
Stupid naive hippies!

Lofty said...

I do hope that they don't use the money to buy Fonterra shares,
If they do they will become the wealthiest party in NZ politics.
The use of the enemy's money would not be beneath them.

Edward the Confessor said...

Bedtime for you lofty. Wee bit spaced out, ya?

Lofty said...

No I am fine but thanks for your concern Ted.

Oh and by the by, get fucked!

Edward the Confessor said...

Yeah, just a wee bit scratchy eh? Happens when you get over-tired. Off to bed wee guy.

Lofty said...

No No Ted not scratchy or tired particularly, although I must say it has been a productive week, and again I thank you for your concern.

Oh and by the by, get fucked!

Edward the Confessor said...

"We have a low tolerance for abusive comments ..."

How long is Lofty's ban IV2? I know he was tired and emotional and lacks a wide vocabulary so expressing himself without resorting to profanity is a challenge, but you really need to be consistent and maintain a standard.

Keeping Stock said...

Behave yourself Lofty! And Edward; don't play the injured innocent; it doesn't wash.

Mary Lamb said...

Lofty should go. His abuse is out of place here and he's provoking a flame war. The rules say no abusive comments and you say KS that you have a low tolerance for it. Tell Lofty to pack his bags and go. There will be a lot of support for your stance if you do. We don't need Lofty's sort around here.

Keeping Stock said...

Track back to 10pm Mary, and see who fired the first shot in any flame war.

Even Edward got a warning the first time he was banned here. Lofty has had his.

Mary Lamb said...

That may be so KS but you'll know that Lofty has been abusive on previous days calling other contributors to your blog wankers and tossers. I just don't think it's on, swearing and abusing like that on this blog which will tommorrow no doubt have a post that praises God. The swearing and the praise just don't mix, KS. I suggest you do ban Lofty as a message to any other people who might be considering foul abuse, having seen Lofty get away with it.

Lofty said...

Did drums

Lofty said...

Oops...blimmin predictive text...I meant ...DIDDUMS.

Lofty said...

Right.. time to put the boat in and go and rape the seas and kill a few fish for a feed.

I do actually have a life, I will report on the amount of fuel I wasted, and numbers of barely legal fish caught, on my return.

I will probably drink a beer or two and not wear a life jacket...so there.

I have given up smoking though.

Edward the Confessor said...

"I have given up smoking though."

That's a pity. You should so start again. Don't let the nico-Nazis tell you what to do.

Mother of four, Wainuiomata said...

I'm picturing Lofty raping the sea!

Mother of four, Wainuiomata said...

And without protection!

Lofty said...

Hi Ted, I am home, how was your pathetic day in front of a screen?
To be fair to you I spent my day in front of a fish finding screen,,so similar but not the same eh Ted.
Fishing was grand, got plenty, snapper mostly. I just hate it when they bleed all over my lovely expensive boat, oh well such is life, I just had to spend a bit of time washing the blood & guts off the craft.
Gobbled heaps of premium petrol in my quest to kill....what fun we had.
I am still off the smokes, you will be pleased to know, the nico nazis wil never affect me, as I have told you before, I am able to make decisions for myself based on evidence and fact, unlike some eh Ted.
How is your alter ego 'Mary Lamb...odd that you would pick a girls name eh Ted...or perhaps not so odd.

DIDDUMS.

Ted said...

"I just hate it when they bleed all over my lovely expensive boat"

Pansy.